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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<description>I think the reason why the world gives it so much attention is because the media began to focus on it after 9/11.  There were not many demonstrations in favour of the Palestinians before 2001.  People see the West v Islamism conflict played out in miniature in Israel v Palestine.  

I think that most of what you write is true, but that does not give Israel an excuse to do some of the things it has done in the Occupied Territories, especially as regards their policy towards certain settlers in Palestine.</description>
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<p>I think that most of what you write is true, but that does not give Israel an excuse to do some of the things it has done in the Occupied Territories, especially as regards their policy towards certain settlers in Palestine.</p>
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I hope that makes sense to someone!

Thanks for all the sensible comments received thus far.</description>
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		<title>By: bataween</title>
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To answer your colonial point, your simplistic paradigm of colonial oppressor v native victim simply does not fit. To talk of &#039;occupation&#039; without taking into account the Arab rejectionism of Israel - that caused the aggression that caused &#039;the occupation&#039; in the first place - is futile .The colonial paradigm does not take into account  the unique case of the Jews, an ancient people who survived against all odds in order to return to their ancestral homeland. Genetically, religiously, linguistically, the roots of the Jews are in the Middle East.  To talk of the Jews as colonialists is propaganda - half Israel&#039;s Jews never left the Middle East but were driven out of &#039;Arab&#039; countries which the Arabs conquered 1,000 years after Jews first settled in the region. 
If Israel is a colonial invention, so is Lebanon, which was created by France to protect the rights of Maronite Christians; Iraq was created out of three Ottoman provinces, Jordan a convenient fiefdom for the Hashemies expelled from Saudi Arabia.   Why do anti-Zionists question Israel&#039;s legitimacy, yet do not question the Gulf states - a few tribes with their own UN seat and armies, whose countries were built by millions of disinfrenchanchised South Asians, treated little better than slaves.
If you want to fight colonialism you should be fighting on behalf of indigenous Middle Eastern peoples for self-determination and political rights - the rights of Copts, Assyrians, Berbers, Kurds - and Jews. This includes the right to speak their own non-Arab languages and in most cases practise a religion other than Islam .
If you were really concerned with human rights you would be fighting for minority rights, women&#039;s rights,  religious freedom, and freedom of expression in the &#039;Arab world&#039;.     
That&#039;s what Margolis was trying to say - that so much criticism of Israel smacks of lack of context and double standards.</description>
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<p>To answer your colonial point, your simplistic paradigm of colonial oppressor v native victim simply does not fit. To talk of &#8216;occupation&#8217; without taking into account the Arab rejectionism of Israel &#8211; that caused the aggression that caused &#8216;the occupation&#8217; in the first place &#8211; is futile .The colonial paradigm does not take into account  the unique case of the Jews, an ancient people who survived against all odds in order to return to their ancestral homeland. Genetically, religiously, linguistically, the roots of the Jews are in the Middle East.  To talk of the Jews as colonialists is propaganda &#8211; half Israel&#8217;s Jews never left the Middle East but were driven out of &#8216;Arab&#8217; countries which the Arabs conquered 1,000 years after Jews first settled in the region.<br />
If Israel is a colonial invention, so is Lebanon, which was created by France to protect the rights of Maronite Christians; Iraq was created out of three Ottoman provinces, Jordan a convenient fiefdom for the Hashemies expelled from Saudi Arabia.   Why do anti-Zionists question Israel&#8217;s legitimacy, yet do not question the Gulf states &#8211; a few tribes with their own UN seat and armies, whose countries were built by millions of disinfrenchanchised South Asians, treated little better than slaves.<br />
If you want to fight colonialism you should be fighting on behalf of indigenous Middle Eastern peoples for self-determination and political rights &#8211; the rights of Copts, Assyrians, Berbers, Kurds &#8211; and Jews. This includes the right to speak their own non-Arab languages and in most cases practise a religion other than Islam .<br />
If you were really concerned with human rights you would be fighting for minority rights, women&#8217;s rights,  religious freedom, and freedom of expression in the &#8216;Arab world&#8217;.<br />
That&#8217;s what Margolis was trying to say &#8211; that so much criticism of Israel smacks of lack of context and double standards.</p>
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		<title>By: bataween</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Sunny
I would be happy to respond to some of your points. So much criticism of Israel arises out of misconceptions, misunderstandings and downright lies. 

The fact that Jews from Arab countries escaped with their lives while one third of European Jews validates the creation of Israel as a safe haven for Jews - and that is what Israel is. Just because things were worse in Europe does not mean that persecution was tolerable in the Middle East. Most of that persecution took place after 1948, but historically non-Muslims were always considered inferior to Muslims and suffered from humiliating and institutionalised discrimination. I don&#039;t need to tell this to you, a Hindu.
 
I would defend the right of anyone to criticise Israeli government policy – but so much of the criticism one hears is unfair. You can criticise Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, but take into account the context: Israel has had to bear eight years of indiscriminate rocket fire; Hamas has a genocidal charter seeking the death of every Jew; and Hamas cowers amongst civilians. By all means criticise Israel’s policy in the ‘occupied’ territories, but what would you do if suicide bombers were coming in to blow up your civilians on a daily basis? Bearing in mind this important context let’s hear some constructive criticism – WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ISRAEL DO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Sunny<br />
I would be happy to respond to some of your points. So much criticism of Israel arises out of misconceptions, misunderstandings and downright lies. </p>
<p>The fact that Jews from Arab countries escaped with their lives while one third of European Jews validates the creation of Israel as a safe haven for Jews &#8211; and that is what Israel is. Just because things were worse in Europe does not mean that persecution was tolerable in the Middle East. Most of that persecution took place after 1948, but historically non-Muslims were always considered inferior to Muslims and suffered from humiliating and institutionalised discrimination. I don&#8217;t need to tell this to you, a Hindu.</p>
<p>I would defend the right of anyone to criticise Israeli government policy – but so much of the criticism one hears is unfair. You can criticise Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, but take into account the context: Israel has had to bear eight years of indiscriminate rocket fire; Hamas has a genocidal charter seeking the death of every Jew; and Hamas cowers amongst civilians. By all means criticise Israel’s policy in the ‘occupied’ territories, but what would you do if suicide bombers were coming in to blow up your civilians on a daily basis? Bearing in mind this important context let’s hear some constructive criticism – WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ISRAEL DO?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John, 
Thank you for your comment and for providing some constructive balance to the article.
To answer your first question, why does the world pay alot of attention on Israel. I can’t answer for the whole of the world. The Arab world must feel aggrieved and a sense of injustice as to what happened in Palestine. Some countries in the EU may feel more sympathetic to Palestine than others, for example Ireland, due to their own experiences of imperialism as with other former colonies and liberation struggles such as the ANC in South Africa. The aim of the article is to outline why I personally support Palestine. 
Your next question relates to operation Cast Lead and the rockets fired by Hamas. I agree that Israel had a duty towards its civilians to prevent them from attack from a militia group. I feel that the way that Israel approached the problem was deeply disturbing. The Israeli armed forces (the full time members) are supposedly some of the most well trained and sophisticated armies in the world. They were facing crude rockets (estimates are 3000 fired over 3 years with 4 fatalities). Israel had fired approximately 15,000 shells into Gaza over the same time period killing around 60 people who were predominately civilians. After this period there was a truce called and it is a gray area of who was responsible for breaking the truce.
I believe that a sophisticated army should only be used once diplomacy has failed. Should the army be called for they should not behave in the manner of the IDF, to collectively punish the people of Gaza for the actions of a small number of militants. It’s difficult to give accurate figures of the amounts of civilian deaths during the devastation, B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, were denied entrance by the IDF. A fair figure would be around 1000, where a third of those were children. Gaza has plunged into a humanitarian crisis and I believe that the peace protest has been set back decades. After the horrors of the offensive in which suspicions of illegal white phosphorous being used in civilian areas seem highly credible, there will be many more Palestinians willing to take up arms against Israel.  
With regards to the anti-Semitism taught in parts of the Middle East and in some bookshops in London, and in Jewish graveyards in France, since when did two wrongs ever make a right? I ask you to put yourself in a Palestinians shoes. During the Nakba, half the population of Palestine had to flee their homes where they haven’t been allowed to return. Many were raped and murdered. Israel has been decent enough to apologise for the crimes committed during this period. How would your feelings be towards Israel, The USA and Britain should you have gone through similar experience? And the hatred towards the USA from within Palestine doesn’t extend to all citizens. For example, Rachel Corrie, the American peace activist who was murdered by the IDF is considered a martyr in Palestine.
During WW2 I was unaware of the Muslim force in the SS although I’m not sure whether this is relevant. The majority of Nazi’s were Christians, are we going to forever seek revenge against Germans and Christians for crimes committed generations ago? The difference is that I do not believe the Palestinians should be seeking revenge against Israel but freedom and compensation. 
I am aware of the grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his crimes against Jews in the lead up to Nakba. He seems like a ruthless blood thirsty man but it’s also important to remember the context. Palestine had been promised to the Jews by the British long before Hitler came to power. There was already a civil war raging in Palestine between Jews (some existing but mainly new immigrants fleeing persecution in eastern Europe) and Arabs. The Grand Mufti was vehemently opposed to Zionism and seeked out allies who he perceived to be supporting his cause. You also have to remember that terrible crimes were being committed against Arabs by Jews during the Grand Mufti’s reign, but as the Grand Mufti had a status of power, obviously his are going to be remembered. It is unsure whether the Grand Mufti was aware of the Holocaust but I am of the opinion that he probably did, even if to a small extent.
The blockade imposed on the people of Gaza for electing Hamas is too tight. I question the motives of the blockade, whether to force the people of Gaza to unelect Hamas or to punish them for their actions. It is suggested that the blockade is a crime against humanity by the UN and even the USA.
“Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed&quot; Richard Goldstone.
The 1967 war is a stain on the history of Israel, that still is tarnishing its name today. I would like to quote Moshe Dayan, the Israeli defense minister at the time, who is talking about provoking the Arab states in the run up to ‘pre emptive’ strikes and land grabbing by Israel:
“I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let&#039;s talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plough someplace where it wasn&#039;t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn&#039;t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that&#039;s how it was. I made a mistake in allowing the Israel conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time” 
With regards to the Clinton deal I presume you are talking about Camp David. I agree that this is probably one of the best offers the Palestinians have had so far but still far from ideal. Israel should have to accept that the settlements built on occupied territory are illegal and this should be a precondition to peace talks. However is news reports are correct, Israel is planning to connect illegal settlements to the rest of Jerusalem in a new light railway system. It is clear that they have no intention of letting go. 
Thank you for the suggestion of Arturo Ui, I will search for it in the library. With regards to a trip to Israel, I would love to visit as I enjoy travel. However I have holiday plans to travel from Cairo to Istanbul via Syria and Jordan and am fairly sure I would be denied entry to Israel because of the passport stamps. I plan to visit the west bank as soon as I can though.

The Iranian president Ahmedinejad is misquoted, he said that ‘the regime occupying Jerusalem must be wiped of the pages of history’, nothing about nuclear weapons. Need I remind you that there is only one country who has ever used atomic weapons of mass destruction of civilians, the United States. The Iranian president is far from welcomed around the world. His presence sparks mass walkouts whenever he speaks. Some of his criticisms of Israel are legitimate yet fall on deaf ears because of previous idiotic statements he has made. However should we fight idiots with idiocy?
I would like to ask you a question. Do you believe that the Palestinians deserve their own state? Should east Jerusalem be part of that new state? What are your views on illegal settlements? Do you accept that significant crimes have been committed against the Palestinian people from 1919 to now? My point of view is that the Israelis and Palestinians have lost the ability to broker peace themselves. Both countries have strong nationalistic identities and there is too much baggage and pain that distorts decision making. Similarly the USA has too much domestic pressure to be able to effectively ensure that Israel behaves responsibly and doesn’t flaunt international law. When the people of Gaza elect a government which has an armed wing, Israel can pressurize the people to do otherwise. 
However who regulates Israel? Sure we can rule that the wall around the occupied territories is illegal and a crime of apartheid, sure we can say that further settlement growth is illegal and Israelis should be pulling out of the territories that have been occupied since 1967, not making further moves to annex them, but who can enforce this? If a country like Israel wants to be part of the globalised community and trade with the rest of the world, it needs to conform to global standards. In that way Israel will gain respect, protection and prosper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John,<br />
Thank you for your comment and for providing some constructive balance to the article.<br />
To answer your first question, why does the world pay alot of attention on Israel. I can’t answer for the whole of the world. The Arab world must feel aggrieved and a sense of injustice as to what happened in Palestine. Some countries in the EU may feel more sympathetic to Palestine than others, for example Ireland, due to their own experiences of imperialism as with other former colonies and liberation struggles such as the ANC in South Africa. The aim of the article is to outline why I personally support Palestine.<br />
Your next question relates to operation Cast Lead and the rockets fired by Hamas. I agree that Israel had a duty towards its civilians to prevent them from attack from a militia group. I feel that the way that Israel approached the problem was deeply disturbing. The Israeli armed forces (the full time members) are supposedly some of the most well trained and sophisticated armies in the world. They were facing crude rockets (estimates are 3000 fired over 3 years with 4 fatalities). Israel had fired approximately 15,000 shells into Gaza over the same time period killing around 60 people who were predominately civilians. After this period there was a truce called and it is a gray area of who was responsible for breaking the truce.<br />
I believe that a sophisticated army should only be used once diplomacy has failed. Should the army be called for they should not behave in the manner of the IDF, to collectively punish the people of Gaza for the actions of a small number of militants. It’s difficult to give accurate figures of the amounts of civilian deaths during the devastation, B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, were denied entrance by the IDF. A fair figure would be around 1000, where a third of those were children. Gaza has plunged into a humanitarian crisis and I believe that the peace protest has been set back decades. After the horrors of the offensive in which suspicions of illegal white phosphorous being used in civilian areas seem highly credible, there will be many more Palestinians willing to take up arms against Israel.<br />
With regards to the anti-Semitism taught in parts of the Middle East and in some bookshops in London, and in Jewish graveyards in France, since when did two wrongs ever make a right? I ask you to put yourself in a Palestinians shoes. During the Nakba, half the population of Palestine had to flee their homes where they haven’t been allowed to return. Many were raped and murdered. Israel has been decent enough to apologise for the crimes committed during this period. How would your feelings be towards Israel, The USA and Britain should you have gone through similar experience? And the hatred towards the USA from within Palestine doesn’t extend to all citizens. For example, Rachel Corrie, the American peace activist who was murdered by the IDF is considered a martyr in Palestine.<br />
During WW2 I was unaware of the Muslim force in the SS although I’m not sure whether this is relevant. The majority of Nazi’s were Christians, are we going to forever seek revenge against Germans and Christians for crimes committed generations ago? The difference is that I do not believe the Palestinians should be seeking revenge against Israel but freedom and compensation.<br />
I am aware of the grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his crimes against Jews in the lead up to Nakba. He seems like a ruthless blood thirsty man but it’s also important to remember the context. Palestine had been promised to the Jews by the British long before Hitler came to power. There was already a civil war raging in Palestine between Jews (some existing but mainly new immigrants fleeing persecution in eastern Europe) and Arabs. The Grand Mufti was vehemently opposed to Zionism and seeked out allies who he perceived to be supporting his cause. You also have to remember that terrible crimes were being committed against Arabs by Jews during the Grand Mufti’s reign, but as the Grand Mufti had a status of power, obviously his are going to be remembered. It is unsure whether the Grand Mufti was aware of the Holocaust but I am of the opinion that he probably did, even if to a small extent.<br />
The blockade imposed on the people of Gaza for electing Hamas is too tight. I question the motives of the blockade, whether to force the people of Gaza to unelect Hamas or to punish them for their actions. It is suggested that the blockade is a crime against humanity by the UN and even the USA.<br />
“Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed&#8221; Richard Goldstone.<br />
The 1967 war is a stain on the history of Israel, that still is tarnishing its name today. I would like to quote Moshe Dayan, the Israeli defense minister at the time, who is talking about provoking the Arab states in the run up to ‘pre emptive’ strikes and land grabbing by Israel:<br />
“I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let&#8217;s talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plough someplace where it wasn&#8217;t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn&#8217;t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that&#8217;s how it was. I made a mistake in allowing the Israel conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time”<br />
With regards to the Clinton deal I presume you are talking about Camp David. I agree that this is probably one of the best offers the Palestinians have had so far but still far from ideal. Israel should have to accept that the settlements built on occupied territory are illegal and this should be a precondition to peace talks. However is news reports are correct, Israel is planning to connect illegal settlements to the rest of Jerusalem in a new light railway system. It is clear that they have no intention of letting go.<br />
Thank you for the suggestion of Arturo Ui, I will search for it in the library. With regards to a trip to Israel, I would love to visit as I enjoy travel. However I have holiday plans to travel from Cairo to Istanbul via Syria and Jordan and am fairly sure I would be denied entry to Israel because of the passport stamps. I plan to visit the west bank as soon as I can though.</p>
<p>The Iranian president Ahmedinejad is misquoted, he said that ‘the regime occupying Jerusalem must be wiped of the pages of history’, nothing about nuclear weapons. Need I remind you that there is only one country who has ever used atomic weapons of mass destruction of civilians, the United States. The Iranian president is far from welcomed around the world. His presence sparks mass walkouts whenever he speaks. Some of his criticisms of Israel are legitimate yet fall on deaf ears because of previous idiotic statements he has made. However should we fight idiots with idiocy?<br />
I would like to ask you a question. Do you believe that the Palestinians deserve their own state? Should east Jerusalem be part of that new state? What are your views on illegal settlements? Do you accept that significant crimes have been committed against the Palestinian people from 1919 to now? My point of view is that the Israelis and Palestinians have lost the ability to broker peace themselves. Both countries have strong nationalistic identities and there is too much baggage and pain that distorts decision making. Similarly the USA has too much domestic pressure to be able to effectively ensure that Israel behaves responsibly and doesn’t flaunt international law. When the people of Gaza elect a government which has an armed wing, Israel can pressurize the people to do otherwise.<br />
However who regulates Israel? Sure we can rule that the wall around the occupied territories is illegal and a crime of apartheid, sure we can say that further settlement growth is illegal and Israelis should be pulling out of the territories that have been occupied since 1967, not making further moves to annex them, but who can enforce this? If a country like Israel wants to be part of the globalised community and trade with the rest of the world, it needs to conform to global standards. In that way Israel will gain respect, protection and prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: Fillipa Petek</title>
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		<description>The specifically Muslim force in the SS was mostly Bosnian Muslims.  Would Hitler have accepted any Arabs to fight?  After all, Arabs are not Aryan whereas Bosnians are just about.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<description>Dear Sunny,

I would like to ask you to consider why, of all the massacres and other terrible things that happen in the world, in Tibet, China, Africa, the former Soviet Union, South America etc etc, the world concentrates most of its attention on a tiny state that is hardly visible on a map of the region.

I have family, living in Ashdod, where rockets have fallen, a couple of blocks from their apartment. What do you think any other government would do, faced with daily rocket attacks ?

How do you make peace with people who have been brought up to hate you ? Are you aware of the virulent antisemitism taught throughout the middle east, and even available in Arab bookshops in London.

In France there has been a huge wave of antisemitism recently by Moslems, and it is becoming more accerptable to voice it, even in this country.

Did you know that during the 2nd World War, there was a specifically Moslem force in the SS, and that the Palestinian leader, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, spent much of the war in Germany, as a guest of Hitler.

It is as a direct result of Israel WITHDRAWING from Gaza that they have the problem of rocket attacks, NOT because they are currently occupying it.

You should remember that the Palestinians were kept locked into the Gaza Strip between 1948 and 1967 by Egypt, and even now the Egyptian border is kept closed, yet Israel is blamed for the hardships currently being endured.

Did you know that the 1967 war was brought on, not by Israel, but by the Arabs, and that Israel sent Golda Meir on a secret mission to see King Hussain, to ask him to stay out of the war, but he refused, no doubt fearing assassination, like his father before him, if he sided with the Jews.

Have you forgotten that Arafat was offered a very good deal by Clinton, but he turned it down. Why, because he knew that he too might be assassinated if he made peace.

I have two suggestions for you, firstly try to see Brecht&#039;s play Arturo Ui, or at least read it. It chronicles the rise of fascism, and ends with the chilling prophecy that it will return.
THe second is to visit Israel, and see for yourselves the conditions, and the geography.

It is approximately 10 -15 miles from the West Bank to the Med. To allow a Palestinian state there, until one is certain thatr they really want peace, would be suicidal, and I regret that the Israelis stiull remember the Holocaust, and have no wish to repeat it.

 Finally, may I draw your attention to the fact that not only the present president of Iran, but also his predecessor, Rafsanjani, have openly declared their intention to wipe Israel off the face of the map, with nuclear weapons.

No other country has, in recent memory, been so threatened, and yet the world does nothing meaningful to condemn it, and the Iranian president is welcomed around the world. 

Can you blame Israel for wanting to rely on its own strength, and not on meaningless rhetoric from the UN etc ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sunny,</p>
<p>I would like to ask you to consider why, of all the massacres and other terrible things that happen in the world, in Tibet, China, Africa, the former Soviet Union, South America etc etc, the world concentrates most of its attention on a tiny state that is hardly visible on a map of the region.</p>
<p>I have family, living in Ashdod, where rockets have fallen, a couple of blocks from their apartment. What do you think any other government would do, faced with daily rocket attacks ?</p>
<p>How do you make peace with people who have been brought up to hate you ? Are you aware of the virulent antisemitism taught throughout the middle east, and even available in Arab bookshops in London.</p>
<p>In France there has been a huge wave of antisemitism recently by Moslems, and it is becoming more accerptable to voice it, even in this country.</p>
<p>Did you know that during the 2nd World War, there was a specifically Moslem force in the SS, and that the Palestinian leader, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, spent much of the war in Germany, as a guest of Hitler.</p>
<p>It is as a direct result of Israel WITHDRAWING from Gaza that they have the problem of rocket attacks, NOT because they are currently occupying it.</p>
<p>You should remember that the Palestinians were kept locked into the Gaza Strip between 1948 and 1967 by Egypt, and even now the Egyptian border is kept closed, yet Israel is blamed for the hardships currently being endured.</p>
<p>Did you know that the 1967 war was brought on, not by Israel, but by the Arabs, and that Israel sent Golda Meir on a secret mission to see King Hussain, to ask him to stay out of the war, but he refused, no doubt fearing assassination, like his father before him, if he sided with the Jews.</p>
<p>Have you forgotten that Arafat was offered a very good deal by Clinton, but he turned it down. Why, because he knew that he too might be assassinated if he made peace.</p>
<p>I have two suggestions for you, firstly try to see Brecht&#8217;s play Arturo Ui, or at least read it. It chronicles the rise of fascism, and ends with the chilling prophecy that it will return.<br />
THe second is to visit Israel, and see for yourselves the conditions, and the geography.</p>
<p>It is approximately 10 -15 miles from the West Bank to the Med. To allow a Palestinian state there, until one is certain thatr they really want peace, would be suicidal, and I regret that the Israelis stiull remember the Holocaust, and have no wish to repeat it.</p>
<p> Finally, may I draw your attention to the fact that not only the present president of Iran, but also his predecessor, Rafsanjani, have openly declared their intention to wipe Israel off the face of the map, with nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>No other country has, in recent memory, been so threatened, and yet the world does nothing meaningful to condemn it, and the Iranian president is welcomed around the world. </p>
<p>Can you blame Israel for wanting to rely on its own strength, and not on meaningless rhetoric from the UN etc ?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Editorial: Middle East Conflict and Human Nature &#124; The Global Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Global Herald, yesterday evening I briefly took down the article written by Sunny Sharma, &#8220;Why the Arab-Israeli Conflict?&#8221; after it received a small raft of comments. After reviewing all of the comments, the article [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bataween,
Thank you for reading my article,
First of all please bare in mind that wherever i talk about Israel I am talking about the government and army, not the citizens. Also i accept that the comment about white Israelis was lazy, i meant that alot of Israelis have some sort of European Heritage but of course I accept that there are many Jewish Israelis from different races across Israel. I have met many Israelis on my travels around the world including Israelis of Iranian descent who still have family living in Iran.
Thank you for the blog that you sent me. i have briefly read a few articles although most of them seem to be about Arab Jews emigrating to Israel post 1948. Obviously i am aware that Jews faced discrimination in the Middle East prior to 1948 but nowhere near on the same scale as the persecution they faced in Europe.
In response to your last point, maybe you haven’t understood the point of the article. I am challenging Jonathan Margolis where he says that he feels uncomfortable with non Jews criticising Israel. I also am challenging the idea that student groups in the UK are anti Israel because of fashion that it is fashionable to be against Zionism. In Jonathans article he asks why Israel and not China, Sri Lanka or America. Although there are human rights groups in the UK who are concerned with Tibet and the Sri Lankan civil war, I am basically providing an argument that the Israel Arab conflict means more to us than wearing a black and white scarf. 
The colonial point was raised as Palestine was a British colony before the British decided to make part of it a Jewish homeland. Therefore we Britons should take some responsibility in ensuring that Israel doesn’t behave recklessly towards the occupied territories. I would imagine that should Jonathan and I ever meet we would have very similar views on Israel, are my points less valid because i am not Jewish? 
For example, operation Cast Lead was reckless. There was a massive disproportionate use of force. I accept that Israel should protect it’s civilians from rocket fire but the manner in which the IDF (supposedly one of the most sophisiticated armies in the world) tackled the problem was barbaric. The international community needs to be firm with Israel and force Israel to abide by international laws. If Israel wants to trade internationally it must abide by law, if not we should stop trading with them South Africa style. 
If you have some more specific criticisms as to why you think the article is ‘ignorant’ I will be happy to respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bataween,<br />
Thank you for reading my article,<br />
First of all please bare in mind that wherever i talk about Israel I am talking about the government and army, not the citizens. Also i accept that the comment about white Israelis was lazy, i meant that alot of Israelis have some sort of European Heritage but of course I accept that there are many Jewish Israelis from different races across Israel. I have met many Israelis on my travels around the world including Israelis of Iranian descent who still have family living in Iran.<br />
Thank you for the blog that you sent me. i have briefly read a few articles although most of them seem to be about Arab Jews emigrating to Israel post 1948. Obviously i am aware that Jews faced discrimination in the Middle East prior to 1948 but nowhere near on the same scale as the persecution they faced in Europe.<br />
In response to your last point, maybe you haven’t understood the point of the article. I am challenging Jonathan Margolis where he says that he feels uncomfortable with non Jews criticising Israel. I also am challenging the idea that student groups in the UK are anti Israel because of fashion that it is fashionable to be against Zionism. In Jonathans article he asks why Israel and not China, Sri Lanka or America. Although there are human rights groups in the UK who are concerned with Tibet and the Sri Lankan civil war, I am basically providing an argument that the Israel Arab conflict means more to us than wearing a black and white scarf.<br />
The colonial point was raised as Palestine was a British colony before the British decided to make part of it a Jewish homeland. Therefore we Britons should take some responsibility in ensuring that Israel doesn’t behave recklessly towards the occupied territories. I would imagine that should Jonathan and I ever meet we would have very similar views on Israel, are my points less valid because i am not Jewish?<br />
For example, operation Cast Lead was reckless. There was a massive disproportionate use of force. I accept that Israel should protect it’s civilians from rocket fire but the manner in which the IDF (supposedly one of the most sophisiticated armies in the world) tackled the problem was barbaric. The international community needs to be firm with Israel and force Israel to abide by international laws. If Israel wants to trade internationally it must abide by law, if not we should stop trading with them South Africa style.<br />
If you have some more specific criticisms as to why you think the article is ‘ignorant’ I will be happy to respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2.8 million Ashkenazi Jews - more than a third of the country&#039;s population - live in Israel. Jews - however defined - and Arabs can both lay claim to indigenousness (and to being both perpetrators and victims of ethnic cleansing), which is one of the main reasons why this conflict is so intractable. The two-state solution mentioned by Sunny Sharma seems to me to be the least-worst option, distant at the moment though it appears. The British mishandling of disengagement from Palestine in 1948 remains alas the most shameful blot on the record of the Attlee Labour government, so that Mr Sharma&#039;s response as a British-Indian seems to me far from surprising. 

Shalom/salaam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2.8 million Ashkenazi Jews &#8211; more than a third of the country&#8217;s population &#8211; live in Israel. Jews &#8211; however defined &#8211; and Arabs can both lay claim to indigenousness (and to being both perpetrators and victims of ethnic cleansing), which is one of the main reasons why this conflict is so intractable. The two-state solution mentioned by Sunny Sharma seems to me to be the least-worst option, distant at the moment though it appears. The British mishandling of disengagement from Palestine in 1948 remains alas the most shameful blot on the record of the Attlee Labour government, so that Mr Sharma&#8217;s response as a British-Indian seems to me far from surprising. </p>
<p>Shalom/salaam</p>
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